Topaz Photo AI v2.4.0

Hello,

I rarely comment for an update but this is infuriating.

The new interface and process is horrible,

I use face recovery a lot but the abscence of on/off toggle along with the submenu to access the slider make it unusable.

Same with the zoom not being at 100% by default.

The worse it the upscaling being done at the end with not way to change that. It’s impossible du judge the Face recovery setting before the upscale. Or at least keep the upscale applied when changing the other tools.

Rolling back until this is solved.

Thanks,

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I think the update is good in principle, the flexibility and stacking have been on my wish list for a long time. It’s obvious that more complex handling also means more complex dialog handling. Perhaps as an improvement also in the sense of the criticisms here, apart from still existing errors:

  1. do not open the settings as a modal dialog, but on the right side directly below the current work step
  2. by default, open the fine settings of the first step of the AutoAI immediately and automatically
  3. allow the deactivation / activation of each step without having to delete it.
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I’ve now run into a problem with some scaling operations where there is no option provided at all to select 100% zoom, eg: only 121%, 200%, 400%. The pick list options varies image by image, sometimes it has 100%, sometimes it does not.

When this happens, 100% can’t be selected (not in the list), can’t be typed in, slider is in oddball steps not continuous values.

Yet, 100% is the only zoom at which it is possible to preview results for many images, due to artifacts caused by crude/fast rescaling. It should always be possible to select 100% instantly with no fuss. Having no ability to select 100% under some conditions means there is no ability to preview and evaluate results, except to save the output to disk and open it in another program.

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Hi,

I don´t like that you change the GUI all the time and users have to adopt and waste their time. Why not asking your customers upfront about their opinion?

Even though some thoughts behind the new GUI are maybe good you should never remove features that have been there before like the Enable/Disable switch for all enhancements.

So I don´t know about this version. I need more time to adjust pics than before (popup for all enhancements and Done button → more clicks) and I don´t see any improvement in the final pictures.

René

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The v2.3.2 was the best version so far. It might have been good to bring the beta features into a stable version and release it as 2.3.3…
In my opinion, v2.4.0 has too many new features on board, right down to the handling.
I will continue to work with v2.3.2 for the time being :wink:
Nevertheless, the tools from Topaz are an enrichment for every photographer…

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Unfortunately something went wrong with this version. Sharpening no longer works. The results are worse than the original picture.
Neither standard sharpening nor motion blur or lens blur works correctly. Back to previous version.

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@Topaz Team. Guys I think the new UI is a great improvement. I’m a so-called older guy but find the changes very intuitive (granted I watched the short video tut mentioned at the beginning of this thread) and the app much easier to work with than before.

Some additions/changes I would appreciate is to have:

  • An eye icon on each stack layer so I can see what the picture looks like w/o that filter.
  • Included in the Selection dropdown of each filter the possibility to select individual faces (as is in the Recover Faces filter).
  • The possibility to set the preview zoom level (as mentioned by others).

Thanks for your continued efforts to make this an easy-to-work-with photo enhancement app while allowing the user, who so wishes, to apply a slew of highly customizable settings!

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I understand why some people don’t like the new UI; I do.

But honestly, it shouldn’t be the main topic when the most important things, which are the basic program’s functionalities, are totally messed up now.

I personally like the new interface. Even if there are no nodes, it reminds me of node-based interfaces, which I constantly use. Like Fusion or ChaiNNer.

But it’s not perfect, by any means! I prefer Gigapixel for the bottom part of the UI, for example.

We should be able to choose the list or thumbnail view for the images. When I have 500+ images loaded, the filmstrip is very unpractical because I can’t see the names of my files. I can’t just check if the 00356 of my image sequence is okay.

I agree with some people when they say that it’s painful to constantly have to adapt to a new UI. Stick to one idea, but then please don’t mess with the core functionalities.

Anyway, I don’t see many people talking about the more important issues, like how the tool itself works totally differently now. Photo AI just became useless for me overnight. I don’t know how we can use it to upscale low-resolution portraits; try to remove noise, then upscale these denoised 100x100 images.

It’s a big deal that the upscale process comes after all the other enhancements. That makes no sense to me if we can’t choose to have it done before (like all the previous versions). On top of the fact that we can see the images at 100% of their original (not) upscale size.

I mean, how do you evaluate a noise reduction here? lol, or sharpening.

I had no speed problem before, and I don’t remember reading people complaining about that for V1 and V2. It got faster over time!

Yes, of course, if someone upscale a 4000x4000 image to 8000x8000, it has an impact, but not every single person upscale already high res images. Come on guys, it’s literally your area of expertise, upscale and clean up compressed and low resolution images.

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It’s my first interaction with this forum. I never complain in general because I know bugs are constantly worked on, and at the end of the day, each new release never broke my basic workflow, which is: upscale this, remove that, restore this face,… sharpen, export.

Until now. Photo AI clearly regressed in its basic function.

I constantly see people whining about nonsense and UI this and UI that. Who cares if the software does what it should do—fast and without crashes? I personally only care about the results, and I want to be able to be efficient the same way with 1 images or 500 images.

When the UI changes, basic functionality gets constantly wrecked (same thing happened with video AI; it’s way better now, but it took a long time). I didn’t buy all of these software for the UI but for what they do.

I don’t get this way of developing softwares. Topaz has amazing models for restoration, I use Video AI for years, I love it! But they constantly mess up the most basic things. I don’t get it.

Anyway, I thought that the 2-week release thing would be good. It didn’t change much; now we have to wait longer to see if something is going to be fixed.

x.x.2 should be very week, like before, bug fixes… x.2.x should be every two or three weeks. 2.x.x should be every few months. But this can work only if the 2.x.x is not totally messed up.

- You can fix this by letting people chose when the upscale occur, at the beginning or the end (as before)
- When there is no upscale, we should be able to see the images at its 100% size, like before.

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BTW

Try to remove a face or a person and add the recovery faces. It just comes back lol.

So now, we can’t recover faces of people in a group photo if someone was removed with the remove tool.

I would have understand if this bug was introduced when the remove tool was in Beta.

If what I think is correct, since the upscaling is processed last, the low resolution has the sharpening embedded, and then this version is upscaled. So the sharpening is pretty much lost in the process because it was not added at the end.

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I have an iMac 2019 8GB vram and 80 GB ram ssd 1 TB. MacOS 11.7.10. Big Sur
The remove function no longer works with this new update. It just keeps spinning forever.
It did work with 2.3.2

Not happy at all with the new layout, so confusing, unintuitive, and adding time to the process that, imho, were not necessary at all. I think is a setback for some (for me at least), and have not added any good to the (well thought) former layout and functions.
Yes, there are some positives, but it doesn’t outweigh the layout changes that destroys the whole experience. Worfklow is now more confusing than ever…

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I found a big bug that had never been there before on previous versions.
If I put a setting on an image, for example on this one:


And if I apply the same settings to the other images, they won’t be applied. Only the autopilot setting. Although I had disabled auto-pilot in the preferences.

What’s more, if I click on another image in my batch, the custom settings of the previous image are reset to the auto-pilot value.

I can no longer do batch processing with this version of Photo AI.
Please fix this quickly.

And pressing “done” doesn’t change a thing.

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It’s jarring that the zoom switches out of my preferred zoom percentage every time I apply an enhancement. My Macbook Air is powerful but has a small screen (I opted for lightweight for ease of travel), so I always increase Zoom to at least 200%. In the past it would remember that and I could simply work without having to re-zoom. Now, I have to increase the zoom again every single time, interrupting my workflow at least four times.

Like others I am not keen on the new layout. Also 2.4.0 crashes on trying to process RW2 files from my Panasonic TZ200. I have attached log files & the raw file. CR3 files from my Canon M50 process fine. I am, like many others reverting to 2.3.2.

2024-03-02-12-39-27.tzlog (63.0 KB)
_1012860.RW2 (22.5 MB)

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Hi - not seeing how to simply auto-apply all enhancements as in the past, and then just tweak one or two items that need changing. Instead it seems I need to click to apply each enhancement, before I can begin to refine. That adds a lot of clicks and time. The genius of Topaz in the past, one big reason people love it, was it was so quick, so few clicks. Also, it loses the zoom percentage that I set, with each enhancement, so I have to set zoom again repeatedly.

I thought, reading the description, that it would for example simply add a button that one could click to “Choose Subject” to refine each enhancement with add/remove brush, like the way you had for Sharpen before. THAT would have been genius. All on the same screen, just an option one could go into.

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in deed it s*cks now, better they role it back to what it was

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indeed… it sucks now… they need to role back the old version interface.
better to improve the program that making changes on the interface… that was good
better they would create or ad dust and scratch remove because i work with scaned pictures

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Just want to echo the sentiments already expressed by many. This new UI renders the app pretty much unusable for me. Why are the manual controls - which I always use - hidden away? Why does the pull-out panel required to access them overlay the image preview? Why are the input/output images previewed at the same size, making it practically impossible to assess the results of the upscaling? Why is deletion now the only option for Face Enhancement rather than the previous on/off preview? I have many other little niggles but these are the most egregious.

A UI overhaul like this would only make sense if the autopilot reliably produced perfect results every time but we’re not there yet. PAI is essentially a toolbox and it’s crazy to have made the tools so much harder and more tedious to use.

Annoyingly, pretty much the only part of the UI left unchanged is the part I like the least: the ‘recently opened’ window. As a rule of thumb, images that I’ve already processed are the only ones that I will absolutely never have any reason to open in PAI again!

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You guys broke the program… its not fun to work with it no more.
Now I’m just saying, why did you do this?
Why spoil a good interface with what I consider to be a bad interface? The program is no longer easy to use at all.
What I find very difficult is that many more things now have to be done and are gone immediately and it is not easy to switch on and off, or switch between different modes to quickly see the differences. I don’t understand why an interface that works well needs to be adjusted while the program needs a lot of improvements to be adjusted in other areas.
For example, it would be very attractive if it had dust and scratch recognition. I use this program a lot to enhance scanned photos and slides, and I notice that these dots and lines are also very present after sharpening.

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