Ok, so for interlaced DVDs like 480i/576i, you recommend to use DIR v4 and to set the target resolution, for instance at 1080p - thus no playing with QTGMC etc and no upscaling by other model(s).
I have still 2.1 version so I would have to upgrade. I do hope the newer version is not worse than the previous.
I have used Artemis MQ V12 tu upscale Deep Purple Come Hell or High Water tracks and Ian Gillan’s face seemed to have changed after the process. I have used different methods and probably none of them gave me very good result. I must check it once again.
I agree that some tutorials of different models and their application should have been done by Topaz staff. I do not say their approach would be an oracle but some at least preliminary hints would be usefull. I think they could use some “i” and “p” DVDs (480/576) and prepare some tutorials using different upscaling methods together with some info about the processing times of different methods using the same hardware. For someone who knows the software engine very well and have access to very fast hardware, it would be rather quite easy.
PS For progressive 480p videos, Imo has suggested to use Dehalo first and then AMQ.
I have not yet played with Hybrid (lack of time) but I shall do it to deinterlace my 1080i footage.
Thank you for the answer.
You can install / use Hybrid with confidence. It “installs” everything into one single directory (C:\Program Files\Hybrid). Anything gets messed up for some weird reason, delete that folder and it’s 100% gone. It doesn’t put in any paths, registry settings, or anything that would ruin anything you already have installed.
There is one user settings folder that Hybrid creates under C:\Users\[USER]\AppData\Roaming\hybrid, but only Hybrid uses that and you can easily just delete it.
That’s it, two folders.
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After days trying to deinterlace 480i DVD movies. I gave up. Dione models gave me too many artifacts. QTGMC is too blurry and it failed me also. I really hate when it comes to deinterlacing because no deinterlacer is acceptable. Guess I will wait for Dione models to get rid of the artifacts and oversmoothing to work on interlaced movies.
Try to use Artemis models after QTGMC deinterlacing, the difference is clear. If I remmeber well, try AMQ but I am not sure for 100%. When I have done it once, final result has been very near muf’s approach. Topaz has cleaned what QTGMC had left.
PS Have you used Dione Robust?
What settings did you use for QTGMC? Also have you tried to correct anything else in the process? I am asking because for a long time I used hybrid but paid no attention to the settings in detail.
I always went for the placebo preset, which i later found out uses default 1.0 sharpening and the losless option. The later one introduces some artefacts. After i turned off those two, the result was way less artefacts when applying GaiaHQ.
Also, I always corrected the aspectratio in this step too. (640x480) Then i made some tests and it turns out, even when doing only downscaling, it changes the characteristics of small details significantly, depending on what algorithm is used. Since VEAI is able to correct for that, there is no need to change pixel-ratio.
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Yea, I went for Placebo preset too. The result is bad and I couldn’t stand it. QTGMC is good, but it’s not like “unnoticeable artifacts” or “unnoticeable pixel loss”. I just hope something at least works decently, but I’m a bit too early for a great deinterlacer lol. Guess I’ll wait for 5 years later.
“Yea, I went for Placebo preset too. The result is bad and I couldn’t stand it.”
So I take it you also tried custom-settings afterwards? I cannot say the results are soooo good but it helps a bit if you strip everything but the deinterlacing function. Problem is you can’t live without temporal denoise, so i always make trials which setting (0, 1, 2 or 3) look best.
BTW. Have you ever tried applying QTGMC + Dione? (DDV2 without deinterlacing) in my mind this combination looks better than letting Dione do the deinterlacing-work.
Yes friend, but see that I was very clear, for shows, because as they have said a lot here: each case is different. Mine is based on Show DVD Upscaling, which is more problematic for several reasons already discussed here. As I’m low on hard drive space, I won’t test Upscale the movie Mists of Avalon yet, which I want better than the 480i I have here. As for the deinterlacing on the Hybrid with QTGMC and other presets suggested here, well I had no luck and the splice came out worse than the sonnet, because as I said playing them on the MPCHC it showed more tremors than the interlaced and as no one disputed I have to me that really for this particular show is not the best choice, thank god DIR V4 did very well in deinterlacing and Upscaling for this show.
If the font you used is interlaced, probably yes, try DIR V4, because until version V3 the result of the faces were poor, so you will have to update your VEAI to version 2.2.0. Now even though it is progressive, use Dione and see the results, it seems to me that Artemis does very well for progressive content, because when I tried Artemis for Yanni - Tribute here they all gave upscaling tremors as the final result, by I discarded them, but with Celine Dion’s show - Taking Chances Live In Boston in 720p the result of Upscaling to 1080p was very good :).
So here I can no longer answer about it, my friend Imo would have to comment on it. I believe that at each iteration, at least this is what happens in video we find on the internet as BRip in relation to BDRip, that is, they are reencode reencode, so the quality is lost with each process and as no one here disagreed with that I wrote, the proposition seems to be true, so think if a low quality 480i DVD video goes through more than one iteration, it will have a more degraded result than the previous one, then only Imo can prove otherwise or another user here in the community who has proven data that this does not occur here at VEAI, someone even from support should be spying on this community, because another thing I see in forums and communities of other software, there is always someone from development answering the questions and/or solving these types of doubts that directly affect their products, and it is not a demerit for the VEAI if the same in each iteration degrades the resulting image, but it would be interesting for them to pronounce on this so that users avoid two or more iterations. I saw my friend Muf talk here, and correct me if I’m wrong, that he uses some processes in his videos outside of VEAI to later do the Upscaling.
I believe that for footage using common and/or semi-professional cameras, the QTGMC deinterlacing of a great result before doing an Upscaling from what I have read on the internet, so much so that you find thousands of topics about them and almost nothing about DVD Upscaling, mainly DVD of Shows.
If the DVDs are movies, you should not deinterlace. Inverse telecine will allow you to revert the movies back to 24 fps. That should remove most of the blurriness that you are experiencing with attempting to deinterlace the movies.
Just discovering your message, and first time i think about inverse telecine !! do you have any tips or procedure how we can achieve this ?? (Thanks !). I have no idea how !
I am going to quickly try to summarize ivtc (inverse telecine) and movies.
Almost all movies are shot at 24 fps (it’s actually 23.976fps, aka 24000/1001 but everyone says 24fps for ease of explanation), but the DVD standard was designed for old nstc standard 30fps (29.970 fps interlaced, aka 30000/1001 but for ease, everyone says 30 fps) and pal which actually is 25 fps interlaced.
To convert 24 fps to 30 fps so the movies could be played on old CRT TVs, the video is interlaced and one frame is repeated. This allows for the video to be played back at 30 fps interlaced. This is relatively easy to undo.
To convert movies from 24 fps to 25fps Pal standard, the movies are sped up 7% and audio adjustments are made. I have very little experience with ivtc and Pal but ivtc can be done.
In the past, I have manually used ffmpeg to “fieldmatch, deinterlace, decimate” NTSC movies. Fieldmatch attempts to reverse the movie interlacing, a Deinterlacer is used as a backup for any troublesome frames that can not be properly ivtc using fieldmatch (most often happens with credits), and lastly Decimate is used to remove the needlessly repeated frames.
The end result is a movie without any interlacing, played back at 24 fps. The idea is to “restore” the movie back to its original 24 fps.
Other options exist for inverse telecine other than ffmpeg, hybrid lists a number of options, but this is one way to manually do it using ffmpeg, creating an uncompressed “crf 0” output version of a movie.
thanks a lot !! i was aware what was inverse telecine, just didn’t know where to start !! thanks !! i found some info, with avisynth and some procedure, with something called TIVTC, thanks a lot for the ffmpeg , i’ll try !! worth it !! thanks !
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Unfortunately, my DVDs are from 2000s, and most are interlaced from 60fps. No duplicated frames that can be telecine. I tried with handbrake already, and it didn’t work. This depends on the region, my DVDs are from Japan and they use MBAFF for Blu-ray, Interlaced for DVDs. It looks bad, but not too bad. Only a few scenes that have bad interlacing. I would rather skip those scenes than deinterlace the whole movie and end up with blurriness. Some distributors tried and failed in their DVDs (same title) as well. So I guess deinterlacing is not my good choice right now.
It should be noted that 24fps and 23.976fps are different framerate standards and should not be confused as the same thing (24fps being the cinematic standard and 23.976fps being the broadcast standard).
Hi Lancelot_cwb,
I have updated to 2.2.0 and there is no DIR4, only 3…how did you get v4. Dione Interlaced Robust.
I have to play with Artemis settings for “p” video.
Yes, QTGMC is considered very good for 1080i footage.
May, there is June now, so May maybe but next year release…It is better to wait for a very good product than to release so-so edition to improve it during another release.
P.S. I don’t know if that would be the case, but I read here above, in the community responses, that you should not install on top of a previous installation, that there are problems with that, and they recommend uninstalling the previous version and doing a clean install, if I I remember they even talked about using software that cleans the windows registry like Revo Uninstaller Pro to really have a new clean install, give it a try and good luck :).
I cannot say the results are soooo good but it helps a bit if you strip everything but the deinterlacing function. Problem is you can’t live without temporal denoise, so i always make trials which setting (0, 1, 2 or 3) look best.