- Recover Original Detail setting is confusing (my input files are .tif). By default, Recover Original Detail is set to zero (0), however this corresponds to the strongest “recovery”; thus the corresponding numerical value should be 100, not 0. A zero setting would normally mean no correction.
- I have not yet seen an example in my work where I wanted to use this “recovery”. When in use, especially when set to the default value = 0, this “recovery” results in ugly oversharpening. Therefore, the first thing I do every time when run Removing Noise is to move the slider for Recover Original Detail to 100. I would strongly recommend making this (no “recovery”) the default and change the numerical value for no recovery to 0.
That isn’t so, see the samples of a TIFF below:
Recover Original Detail 100
Recover Original Detail 0
So I have switched this to a Bug, specific to your implementation rather than a Idea…
To add, I am running the latest version of Topas Photo AI, ver 2.0.5 on a MacBook Pro M2 Max, MacOS Sonoma 14.0. The .tif file was generated from DxO Photolab 7 (the latest revision).
From what I can see it is recovering the original detail from the image where you have it set to 100, you can see that on the faces.
If you are trying to recover detail in the wave spume, it may not be possible, but go to settings and set Sharpen to Motion Blur … and click it on. DeNoise wont correct motion blur.
Sorry, you are wrong. Please, look at the two screenshots.
When the “recovery” is at 0, the image is over-sharpened (on the right) vs. the original (on the left).
When the "recovery is at 100, both images are practically the same.
Going back to my original request, please change the behavior of Photo AI:
Please, make recovery = 100 to have the strongest effect (now it is when recovery = 0)
I think you misunderstood that function:
Recover original details will blend some of the original files details back to the enhanced image - which then of course can diminish the (partly artificial / over-the top) enhancement.
This is what you see as the image being “less sharp” when that parameter is set to 100%. Maybe yes, but it has more of the original characteristics and less of the “enhancement features”. This is exactly what that slider is supposed to do and some (like me) do like it as it partly defeats the over-sharpened/over-smoothed “plastic look”…
Once again, what you are saying is incorrect: the image is not “less sharp”; actually, the image is practically uncorrected/unchanged when recovery = 100.
If doing nothing, applying no enhancement and corrections, is “what that slider is supposed to do” when set to 100, this contradicts the usual interpretation when a setting at 0 is expected to do nothing.
I don’t want to argue about this. If you want to make no changes and keep the exisitng behaviour when recovery = 100 means “no recovery” and the image remains uncorrected under this setting, then please(!) change the default value for recovery. Now, “recovery” is at 0 by default, and this results in what you yourself don’t like, as you say “the over-sharpened/over-smoothed “plastic look”…” As I mentioned this at the start of this conversation, every time I open a tif image in Photo AI for denoising, the first thing I must do every time is to move the recovery slider from 0 to 100. This is a bit annoying and a waste of time. I hope you agree with me on this.
Would it be possible to change the default value for Recovery Original Detail from 0 to 100? This would be greatly appreciated - thank you!
I’m going to repeat what everyone else is saying. Recover Original Detail adds back the original image to the processing results.
In short, a setting of 0 is looking at purely the processing result. A setting of 25 adds 25% of the image back to the processed result.
You are asking for a “decrease processing” slider which is possible but there’s no need to change it because these do the exact same thing but opposite and our users are already familiar with how the Recover Original Detail slider works.
Thank you for the additional explanations!
First, I didn’t ask for a “decreased processing” slider - sorry, I don’t know where this is coming from.
What I asked above, quote "Would it be possible to change the default value for Recovery Original Detail from 0 to 100?
When reading what you say: “Recover Original Detail adds back the original image to the processing results” - I wonder what does this exactly mean when Recover Original Detail is set to 100? It is at this setting when the images do not display artifacts due to sharpening/oversharpening. At all other settings, e.g. already at 90, the artifacts are quite pronounced. Is denoising applied to the image when Recover Original Detail is at 100?
Thanks again for responding.
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