Discussion | Using Denoise MAX To Gain Details

I borrowed an R5 II and took photos that were almost identical to those I took with an R1.

EF 180 mm Macro on a tripod, the cameras were switched, but the subject barely moved.

The R5 II has 45 megapixels and the R1 has 24.

Now, with my previous workflow, I noticed when zooming in that the results from the R5 II differed significantly from those of the R1—in other words, they weren’t realistic.

So I’ve adjusted my approach and created a new workflow, which I tested today against other methods.

Previously, I used Wonder 3.5 at 4X or HifiV2 (2x) as the first step.

After that, I used Denoise Max to have these models generate the details needed to make the result look sharp and detailed.

I no longer use Wonder 3.5 or HifiV2.

Instead, I use Bilinear (built into Photoshop), enlarge the image here to, say, 12,000 px (long side), and then apply Denoise Max at 80%.

The resulting image looked more natural than with the other methods and also shows even more detail—in some cases, much more.

Of course, the speed advantage is also hard to ignore, since Bilinear is practically instant, while Wonder 3.5 takes about 7 minutes.



Bilinear & Denoise MAX - The result from Bilinear looks much rougher, since it lacks the typical AI smoothing - and there are almost no “mutations” or “hallucinations”.



Hifi V2 & Denoise MAX



Wonder 3.5 & Denoise MAX

are the original files shot RAW?

Yes, but.

Its Capture One AI Denoise & Editing, then export into 16bit Tiff, then Photoshop Editing then upscale (Bilinear) and the Denoise MAX detail gen.

The “new” advantage arises because Denoise MAX works with data that does not deviate as much from the original as it would in a multi-stage AI model workflow.

The current workflow you are doing: going to TIFF mid-workflow means Denoise Max is the next best option for removing any remaining noise that Capture One leaves.

The best workflow would be to retain the RAW file throughout the workflow, use RAW Denoise first to ensure the RAW noise is properly removed, and only upscale once there are no remaining issues in the file. However, in your current Capture One/Photoshop workflow, the file is converted to TIFF along the way. At that point, RAW Denoise is no longer available because the file is no longer RAW.

That makes Denoise Max the next best option for addressing any remaining noise in your workflow. Since Denoise Max is a generative model, while removing the noise it can also generate some additional details.

Glad it can help with your current workflow!

I’m currently working on a very large prototype image and ran into a problem with the Denoise Max model.

I’ve solved it and have essentially moved on to the next stage of my journey in search of the ultimate image quality.

Now I’m using DxO Deep Prime again instead of Capture One’s denoising.

Excited to see a 31K image?




2.06 km away from camera.