Would the workflow be that I would remux just the low-res excerpts I want and then upscale the MKV container?
I suggested it because it does splitting and reassembling very well, by specific frames or timecodes.
Hi !
my view and comment here on the 3.0 is very different, most people here will not agree with me,
but, the feature you ask will be available soon on the software and youâll not have to do anything like trim on frame 0 to 10.000 etc⊠like we all did it in 2.6.4.
A âvideoaiâ tag has been added to each videofile processed in VEAI 3 with all the settings used to make it. from what i understood, it will be used for the future feature of being able to stop the software and resuming the rendering / process at a later date.
this new âupdateâ version must be, i think, seen more as a new software⊠A Video Ai 1.0, instead of Video Enhance Ai 3.0. The software has totally been redone from scratch. seeing it as an update is maybe not the best way.
for now, the only way i see to make what you ask without using a video editor is to use a software who cut the videos in several parts, and render each of them, and after, add them again in one single video until the pause/stop resuming will be added. the timecode / trim way is not good for that actually.
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Are you saying the new version does not have the ability to create âIn and Outâ points on the file you are rendering?
Also, many times I just want to render a 5 minute section of a video file. Do I have to create the mini clip outside of this software?
I hope that is not true. I have 2.6.4 on many Mac Mini M1 machines. I am afraid to check out this new version.
There are in and out points for the section you want to export.
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To Everyone:
It would be sooo helpful, that at the beginning of your complaint or comment or praise that you describe your hardware, your file input and output parameters.
Finally â PLEASE tell us your frame per second rate speed that you receive in performance. No one is talking about performance.
Because we KNOW they havenât really started working on performance yet. Thereâs not much point when we know it will be changing in the near future. Itâs mostly irrelevant right now.
this version doesnât have yet the speed improvement that everybody think it has /must have/maybe have⊠it will be added in a future update, certainly not in a very long time, but this speed improvement is not in this version.
Ok - so it is slower from what I am reading.
Is there a significant difference in output quality between 2.6.4 and 3.0?
Many are reporting lesser quality output compared to 2.6.4. I canât really say. It doesnât produce anything Iâve been able to useâŠ2.x or 3.x.
on my machine with my files, i have the same speed than 2.6.4 and even a bit faster. but itâs my machine, component, on a windows 11 system (insider beta version) with a 1050ti graphic card etcâŠ
so i can only talk for me. i donât know what the other have, and the results, what they do etcâŠ
in my case, I uninstalled 2.6.4, I donât need it anymore. i only does upscalling , and use proteus in Auto or manual. i donât use it for de-interlacing, and use the fps conversation as well. i donât do anything else wit the software except for testing during the beta.
about output quality, itâs the same for me, but i donât have a good tv, not a high end monitor, and iâm not as âpickyâ about high end quality as some other people here. h264 intel encoding is ok for my use, mainly because my hardware media player doesnât support any other format for now. certainly if i had a 4K monitor and better gear, iâll change my comment.
so itâs really a matter of what each experience and want. the best suggestion i can tell is that you try the software and see for yourself.
the software will evoluate, as new version will be available certainly pretty quickly because a lot of issues are reported since yesterday. so we expect/hope something much better soon, for now, itâs working ok for me, but can only talk for me, for what it worths ;).
With GTX1070 GPU, and 6700K CPU upscaling a 1080p clip 2x to 2160p with Gaia and â1â grain turned on, I get GPU load almost pegged to 100% and this for performance:
Argus monitor showing full GPU load:
With the same settings with Proteus model I get roughly double that speed but GPU doesnât seem to be fully utilized.
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Well it is absolutely good to know what the frame per second speed is with this version.
If it is a little slower, but the video output quality is higher then the slowdown is worth it in many situations.
But if it is slower and the output quality is not better (using the same process settings) then Iâm not going to blow $150 on an upgrade and I am going to start to worry how long the 2.6.4 version will be supported.
I see that it downloads something before starting a project 1/2 the time. What is it downloading and is this always the same file or does it get updated?
I have a render farm and I donât know if this is going to be a good solution moving forward. Plus I have no problem buying multiple licenses for each computer.
At $299 â this is not a âconsumer productâ â it is definitely a âprosumer product.â That seems to be how it is advertised.
I would certainly hold my money until much more progress is made on refining it. This is an unpolished beta at best (thatâs being generous). That said, see what they do for Black Friday.
Itâs downloading the model based on your input source and output settings. If you have a model already that fits the need, it wonât download it again.
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Yes - I understand â Iâm just wondering when that will cease for version 2.6.4 or is it using the same model for every version.
It is hard to determine if this is a good investment (as I am assuming that there will be extra licensing costs for multiple computers in the future, especially when they are now providing CLI).
EOL for 2.6.4 is not indicated.
This is a problem when you always have to rely on the company to continue serving you models for the software to function.
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Wow - are you saying that your render speed is 1.76 seconds per frame?
I havenât seen anything on a cheap Mac Mini M1 at a speed that slow. Most things I do range from .09 to .25 frames per second. And there is no noise, heat or significant power use.
I will mention, that you can use any previous version of the software regardless of age. I still open 1.5.3 on some instances, and all my upscaling is on 2.3 currently, which is not the latest release of the 2.x series. I would probably still use 1.5.3 except the time saving on 2.3 is significant so I try to replicate the same results I get in the early version to 2.3.
Already paid licence wonât expire for previous versions, you just wonât be able to activate new ones after the licence expires. You will not get any notice on EOL for 2.6.4 - at least I didnât for any previous version. They just release new ones which you can choose to install or not.
Someone said earlier in the thread that they believe the same model is being used, but the issue on quality change is because of what appears to be a bug in the translation from GUI to the CLI - while you may not interact with the CLI directly, it still uses it in the background. That user is reporting the CLI command being made is wrong and if you manually correct it, the quality is the same.
Also note that Topaz supported CLI for a long time. I experimented with it myself for a while, was just easier for me to use the GUI. It was only recently they removed CLI, so I would hope licencing costs wouldnât increase as CLI was supported for years before they removed it. This is the guide for CLI interface from a year ago. I just donât remember exactly which version it was removed.
https://topazlabs2.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360046455552-Command-Line-Interface-Documentation
They have eliminated the ProRes 422 output option?
Yes
The M1 chip is quite powerful so this is not surprising.
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Gaia is always slow. I can remember testing Gaia way back to really early versions, and it is always double if not more the time of the other models. It can give really good results in some cases, but it is not a fast model.
I use a 1080 currently still, and I upscale from 540 to 1080 and thats at least 1 second per frame, and normally closer to falling between 1.3 and 1.7, so 1.76 seconds for a 1080p to 2160p sounds pretty good. Unfortunately, Gaia has not been worked on a for a long time, including this release, so I donât expect it to get a large performance increase anytime soon.
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