Topaz Photo AI v2.0.0

I’ve been away from my desk for 10 days and kinda glad I didn’t download v2; although I am glad it fills a need for some.

Many people using an updated or trial version of PAI 2 will be disappointed and will look elsewhere. Cognitive Dissonance theory explains a lot of consumer behavior and can bite a lot of vendors who aren’t keeping that in mind.

There are a number of professional products that perform the newest features of PAI better and faster. AND there are more amateur oriented products that can do them better and faster, too; even free ones.

BUT, how often do you see a rollback of new features by a developer?

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I’m still getting tiling artifacts with the new release. They don’t seem to be as strong as before but they still exist.
Topaz Photo AI ver 2.0.0

If I had a magic fairy wand and could make Photo AI V 2.0 into what I would have wanted, here it is.

And, I would love to throw money at the developers to have these core type features of my fairy wand wishes actually work at 100%.

( Btw, I do landscape nature work, not facial enlargements, so I won’t comment on face stuff.)

Being able to blow up photos even larger than 6 X and have those blow ups be true and accurate to the photos with lovely detail, as if I had shot whatever older image with a $10K lens let’s say.

In other words, no hallucinated weird leaves and wrong sized leaves/needles/grass/moss, and so on.

Also, no furry rocks, furry water, furry pine needles and so on.

No giant square hunks of complete blurry areas right next to perfectly sharp areas, despite no depth changes.

I would love to have the software much better trained to understand in the first place, what a rock is, or tree/log, water, etc, and where one ends and another begins. Also, a much nicer/detailed and realistic blow up of water, or water falls.

I would love to have boulders that blow up with the fine grain of boulders and not have the green/yellow, etc., moss on the boulder turned to big leaves. Also, not have the rock area itself look like large clumps of clay stuck together.

Less baffling controls/tools that often don’t make sense in the context they are portrayed as, nor when you try to mix them.

For instance, the new sharpen V 2, the more I turn it up, the more PAI V2 hallucinates new strange and wrong sized leaves/grass/moss? I thought it was a sharpen tool, not an add more leaf, etc., models tool.

I’ve dinked around with PAI for countless hours and I still am not certain at times what slider is doing what in conjunction with the other sliders. I don’t have that problem in any other photo editing software. It does not have a logical flow, at least not for me.

I would like to not have to add blur to already sharp photos to have the software decide it can only add the models for grass, leaves, rocks, etc., after I add blur.

I would love to have a working, professional quality level of batch processing with nuanced controls and that can handle thousands, or at least hundreds of old photos accurately and without crashing.

I would love to have presets I can make and save that are specific for me and not tied to auto pilot in any way. And I would have a complete turn off feature for anything auto pilot, which I thought V2 was supposed to have, but does not near as I can tell. I’ve shut off everything I can find, and there’s still auto pilot stuff going on.

I would love to have a normal sharpening ability, like a tiny radius setting like PS has so I can finely adjust the thickness of the sharp edges, such that blown up blades of grass don’t look like green twigs, etc., the way it is now.

There’s more, but you get the idea. As I said before in another comment, I don’t need Photo AI to be Photoshop, or Capture One, Lightroom, etc. I just want to blow up beautiful photos with more detail. It is WHY I bought the software.

You gave me a small taste of what could be in “parts” of some of my photos, but then that gift gets taken away in other parts of the same photos, all photos, without exception. All versions of the software back through Gigapixel, without exception, give, and then take away, the thrill of what could be.

Please continue work on the core reason most of us bought the software, to blow up photos and add fine detail that wasn’t there. Then, keep going, making those core features better and more awesome. Anything else feature wise doesn’t make any sense to me for why I spent my money here.

There’s my fairy wand wish list.

I wanted to add. Imo, the key to being strong in the market, is honing in on those one or two things that no other company is doing, or doing well, and drill down that specialized development hole harder and faster than anyone else perpetually.

The more you diversify beyond what attracted users in the first place, the more you spread yourself thin, water down what is unique about your company and lose that specialization or obvious advances over your competition, and thus, lose your user base.

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LibRaw.

Lensfun is for lens correction.

I would love to have a working, professional quality level of batch processing with nuanced controls and that can handle thousands, or at least hundreds of old photos accurately and without crashing.

I would love to have presets I can make and save that are specific for me and not tied to auto pilot in any way.

Those two just about sums it up for me as well. f those two worked I’d be a happy camper.

I would on the other hand also like (in addition to being able to turn it off completely when needed) to be able to trust the Autopilot enough to just “fire and forget” on larger jobs… I mean - shouldn’t the combination of AI and Autopilot by definition mean just that? Load a job, click process, and trust AI to do it’s magic?

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I agree with devenpsc.

That’s always the great danger of building a product. Starting small with core functionality, which has great potential, adding more and more features, until one day you have a mega-complex software, that only works half way. You might then find yourself in a situation, where the competitors kept focusing on their core functionality enhancing it over the course of time - in a way you now cannot make up for it.

The way it goes right now, with all the added new features lightning, color balance, and so on; it won’t be far that there will be a healing brush, a clone brush - and at one point you will have a fully fledged integrated pixel editor. :face_with_head_bandage: But the core functions will have suffered massively (as I would assume that you will not have stocked up the team exponentially).

There’s already a ton of proven products out there that do all of that editing and also artistic enhancements (Adobe PS/LightRoom, CaptureOne, Affinity, Luminar AI and so on).

As devenpsc stated the blurry patches issue and others are still unsolved.
Working with large number of images (batch processing) is still not usable in any way, which worked great in the old DeNoise/Sharpen/Gigapixel product line).
CLI is still very basic and cannot be parameterized, see here

Please focus on the core functionality, so that is stays an AI photo enhancement application. With the focus of making images look as good as they can - while keeping a natural look to the people in them (avoiding a plastic Barbie look :wink: )
And allowing users to work with a large large number of batches (UI and CLI).
That’s all we really need, at least from my perspective.
Plus enhanced quality control (as suggested in this idea, feel free to vote for it)

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Thanks but, as I said above, applying the fix suggested by Krbo sorted the issue & I can call PhotoAI 2 from both release & beta versions of AP 2.

In the 2.0.1 update due out on Thursday, will you also fix the conflict between Gigapixel and AI photo in Photoshop’s file/automation tab?
Because I and others have observed that Gigapixel as a Photoshop plugin no longer works since the Photo AI 2.0 update.

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Thank you. My point seems to be highlight. Why was this fix not influenced in the release of the program advertised as general release version? Instead as I’ve pointed out, a week or two later, after people tested it, bug fix comes out. Meaning we are all beta testers. There is no final stable version. Its perpetual beta. No fun when you cannot rely on the program, you have to install and download bunch of new versions all the time and knowing that if you are buying this application, you are applying for beta program. That’s not cool.

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Sadly, Topaz have spent more than a year developing this inadequate product and asking us all to be beta testers. I am finished with it but will probably continue to use Topaz Sharpen AI if and when I need it. For denoising there are now other products that are just as good or better.
Over and out.

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I want to say huge thanks to Topaz team for massively speeding up Photo Ai!
1.5 version was much slower than Gigapixel, which drove me nuts. Every shift of preview window resulted in re-enhancing entire image, the resutls of previous enhancement wasn’t cached.
Now in 2.0 everything changed and working as expected.

I have the option to update, but the program has never updated without me specifically clicking the button to do so.

I can stick with a version that’s stable on my system and just ignore the updates. Or, if the update button is just too tempting, I would recommend creating a restore point, trying the new version, and using the system restore point if you don’t like it.

I might be wrong here, but this one does not make sense to me.

I think most people who update software do it with the hopes of on the one hand solving whatever issue they might be dealing with in their current version and on the other hand because they also want to enjoy new functions or improvments as advertised in the changelog.

It’s not like anyone update their software hoping to run into regressions or new errors.

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For me personally, I’m seeing a speed improvement when I’m using only the core models, standard, low rez, etc. But, as soon as I turn on any of the other sliders for noise and sharpen, then it’s about like it was, slow, or at least seems that way.

If someone doesn’t want to be a “beta tester” they can just wait.

If Topaz labs were to just make us wait, it would protect us from the possible inconvenience of getting a bad release. But is that really necessary when updating is optional, there’s an active forum that discusses the success or failure of each realease, and rolling back is not that complicated?

“Just wait until there’s no bugs.” Seems to be the argument, but I like that I have a choice in the matter. I can choose to “Just wait until there’s no bugs” myself (or at least no ‘game-breaking’ bugs) or I can try new stuff when it’s released.

It’s my choice and I like that.

Newsflash - other companies such as Adobe, Microsoft, makers of Malcrium Reflect and … release “buggy” software at times. That’s why many people wait a week or 2 before updating. Really if you don’t like PAI don’t use and go elsewhere. Why they didn’t catch this “bug” before releasing I can’t say. For me, the features I like about PAI are that it processes raws for noise and sharpening including selection. I disabled face recognition, so this issues doesn’t effect me.

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Lot’s of good ideas from @devenpsc here but this one stands out for my use cases too. STABILITY is a core component of any successful workflow and some time could be spent on nailing down bug fixes and when things go wrong… failing gracefully.

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Macrium reflect has always been very reliable for me, and updates good too. Have used it for years now.

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They have had some “buggy” updates

The Sharpening Standard v2 is definitely lightening the image.