Feature Request | Electronic Shutter Debanding

A great feature would be to remove Electronic shutter banding. Now and again I forget to adjust shutter speed to negate this. I’d say a feature like this would be another life-saver for many photographers.

Hope it can be done!

Thanks

Jamie

DeNoise 6 has this feature, and I still use it on occasion.

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Something that a lot of users shooting under artificial light appear to be suffering from is banding, caused by poorly chosen shutter speeds, and the scanning rate of (usually fully electronic) shutter interacting with the flicker frequency of the LED and/or fluorescent lighting to cause regularly spaced but diffuse intensity fluctuations down the image.

Since it’s a regular standing pattern it feels like it should be something that’s easy to solve via AI? It’s very difficult to solve in Photoshop manually. So if you could automate a fix for it, I’m sure it would sell well, particularly to wedding photographers?

Example links:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63468042
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63587662
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63544216
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63964305

This problem is only seen when using electronic shutters and is prevalent in mirrorless cameras. The best solution is to switch to the mechanical shutters on your camera.

I am not aware of other camera maker models but Sony has an anti-flicker shooting mode which eliminates the problem even when using the electronic shutters … usually for shooting with a silent shutter.

Thank you for your reply @AiDon. FWIW shooting at a reciprocal of the mains frequency also helps mitigate the issue somewhat.

I was just suggesting a potential product idea that seemed both relatively easy to implement, and potentially useful. Removing the pattern in Photoshop is difficult, and the regular sinusoidal nature of the pattern feels like it should be easy to characterise and remove in software.

I see quite a lot of posts about the issue in the mirrorless forums, and occasionally in the dSLR forums too. One poor soul shot a wedding and didn’t notice the banding until they were processing the images the next day…

You are right because many people forget that flourescent and LED lights flicker because of the frequencies of the electrical grid.

Not saying it isn’t a good idea but just that some cameras have a solution which, of course, relies on it being activated. :slight_smile:

I guess Denoise 5 had debanding in the toolbar. Here I am, 3 years after this suggestion and Ai has no such thing. I’m reading it’s the first thing you should do. It seems the closer we get to better Ai the less control we have.

Every since I started shooting with a mirrorless camera, I’ve noticed banding issues in most of my photos taken in artificial light. Most times, I take photos inside a church and would prefer not to bother people with the shutter sound, so I turn off mechanical shutter (and therefore, the anti-flicker mode). I didn’t realize how badly prominent the banding appears in some of my photos. So I’m looking for an AI solution since it’s not worth manually photoshopping the 100+ photos affected in my deliverables. It would be great if Topaz includes this feature in Photo AI.

Sometimes you really don’t want to use a mechanical shutter.

This would be an amazing feature. People pay a lot of money for Cameras with global electronic shutters. When you need to be silent with artificial light and fast movement, you’re faced with the dilemma. Either go back to mechanical shutter or risk trying to rescue the files.

I imagine this would be something AI would be very well suited to.

I tried the debanding feature in DeNoise 5/6, but it could not entirely fix the banding of flickering in my cases.


If Topaz is to build this capability, it might need to enhance it to make use of AI.

I am waiting for this feature One button “Light band removal”, not just for addressing flickering bands arising from LED light sources or various types of screens/monitors, but also various type of light bands.
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