Bowler Boys - Edits on old photo

I did! I attempted a higher angle where the people were looking up, but no dice.

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I love stuff like that!!! I know some people are purists. But gee. That’s great. And, the quality is very good - not just the ‘hat trick’ (so to speak) of spinning them around or making them contemporary. Although, Gemini only seems to have 1-2 references for sneakers (ha, ha) - this could open up whole new revenue streams for AI developers to have brands pay big chunks of $$ to get the AI models trained to include the distinctive elements of their brands (swoosh, etc.).

The boys are amazing considering where they started (nasty old tintype)! I just wish I knew who they were…

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Yeah, too bad there isn’t the equivalent of Google Lens as a people finder/ID’er of some sort. Though that could raise humongous privacy issues, I suppose (wouldn’t wanna be in witness protection with that capability…).

Can you tell offhand if they look Irish or Italian? My Irish grandfather’s brother married an Irish/Italian girl and this was in his collection. So I don’t know which branch of the family it is, his or hers.

Well, not to swamp you with AI like is being done in other threads… Here’s what I found from Google’s AI browser search below.

I used the term “tall bowler” because the hats in your pics look taller to me than a conventional bowler (not to date myself, but I think of the lead in the TV show the Avengers - John Steed (very British) - and also the artist Magritte as wearing a lower, more traditional bowler vs what I see in your pic). The hats above seem more like a cross-breed between a top hat and a bowler. At least to me.

Bottom Line: More likely Irish.

AI Overview

In the late 1800s and early 1900s,

an Irish immigrant was more likely to wear a bowler hat than an Italian one. While the hat was popular with both the working and middle classes in the US, it was strongly associated with British and Irish culture. Italian immigrants during this time were more likely to wear a different kind of cap.

Bowler hats and the Irish

  • A sign of assimilation: In the United States, particularly on the East Coast, the bowler (or “derby”) was popular among the Irish working class and the rising middle class. Wearing the hat signaled a transition from being a newly arrived immigrant to becoming a part of American society, as it was also popular with the British working class.
  • Cultural significance: In Ireland, the bowler was also a popular choice for both the working and middle classes. Its use in the US by Irish immigrants was a continuation of a cultural trend from their homeland.

Italian headwear during the same period

  • Preference for the coppola: Italian immigrants in the early 20th century were more commonly associated with the coppola, a traditional Sicilian flat cap. The cap was brought over with immigrants and remains an iconic symbol of Sicilian and Italian-American culture.
  • Different cultural attire: While some Italian factory-made bowlers were sold in South America during this time, the Italian immigrant population in the US did not widely adopt the bowler.

The tall bowler hat

The term “tall” bowler hat is somewhat contradictory, as the bowler’s distinguishing feature compared to a top hat was its low, rounded crown. However, historical and photographic evidence shows that some variations of the bowler had slightly higher crowns than others. A person dressed formally could also wear a hat of this style as an alternative to a top hat. The cultural association with Irish and British immigrants would still hold true for most varieties of the bowler hat.

Very useful info, thanks!

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BTW with Gemini you can just reload the chat when your tokens run out and keep going…

EDIT: This worked for awhile to reset the token count but I eventually hit the wall for today.

I just did a quick try with ComfyUI using Qwen. :face_savoring_food:

https://imgsli.com/NDE3ODM0

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Thanks for that! Very nice, but I see a bit of facial feature drift…

For an illustration it’s perfectly fine, for genealogy, not :wink:

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Hello Plugsnpixels.

The girl standing behind seems to have lost her left arm and shoulder? Or did Gemini loose it upon re-entry? :rofl: :shooting_star:

Regards.

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She moved during the exposure, ha!

Yesterday I ran a ton of family images through Gemini, the results varied…

Another try. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

https://imgsli.com/NDE3ODUz

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That’s a nice one! The original print was a tiny cameo. Girl in front is my great-grandmother.

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Hello Plugsnpixel.

These are remarkable results but I’m afraid there are a few glaring errors in the reverse picture.

The two ladies on the back row the one with the green dress and the other wearing a white blouse, seem to have turned their heads completely around and forgotten to turn their bodies. Maybe they were looking for a bus and forgot to turn around completely :rofl:. And the little girl in the front next to the flowers seems to be the same for her thumb is on the wrong side. There is also the case to make that the little boy on the front centre has put his shorts on back to front. But other than that it’s quite good.

Regards Bob.

Yeah I know, it was a quickie and I had to “yell at” Gemini a few times to get everybody turned around at all.

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I was amused by the tie on the back, I thought I was behind on fashion again :joy:. But otherwise quite a success!

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I saw that afterwards but didn’t revisit… I’m banging through some other family photos now, such as this one of my g-g-grandmother from 1932, doing basic colorization.

I wish Topaz apps could colorize! That would be so sweet.

Plugsnpixels’ great-grandmother’s hair turned a little green, especially with the added sleeve background. It amazes me what wonders can be done with photos these days, very nice.

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Oh yeah, colorization would be great. I also recently played with (65-115 years old) b/w photos of some relatives and some apps colorized them acceptably, I especially liked the ones that used muted colors, nothing screaming. I think your g-g-grandmother is quite nicely colored.

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